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	<title>Comments on: Understanding the Merit Shop Contractor Cost Advantage</title>
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		<title>By: Ernie</title>
		<link>http://thetruthaboutplas.com/2010/05/17/understanding-the-merit-shop-contractor-cost-advantage/comment-page-1/#comment-5174</link>
		<dc:creator>Ernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anthony, you must be a union worker that benefits from these PLA schemes. Every union and nonunion contractor will tell you that most union work rules are inefficient and increase costs needlessly. The scenario you have laid out doesn&#039;t squeeze out all of the inefficiencies. Multi-skilling and sound management practices does a better job getting the customer the best project at the best price.

Sprink, as a member of ABC, ABC is not a union for contractors. It is an association. Do you belong to AAA or does your grandma belong to AARP? It is the same thing. Here is a major difference to consider: ABC does not force contractors to pay a penalty to drop memberships or strip them of their retirement benefits if they join another association. Unions prevent union workers from working for nonunion employers (they will take away your pensions and fine you or kick you out of the union if you put your union card in your boot and moonlight to put food on the table - if you are enrolled in a union apprenticeship program, good luck getting out of it....).

There is more than one way to train a construction worker besides union apprenticeship programs. Employer and ABC training programs are effective too and they don&#039;t limit apprentices to the good old boy network. It is all about MERIT.

Unions should be commended for their investment in their training programs, but that doesn&#039;t give unions a license to use PLAs to cut out all of your competition. Besides, I&#039;m aware of a number of union members that have not gone through union apprenticeship programs. And what about the nonunion workers that once belonged to a union and went through union apprenticeship programs but left because of the BS they had to deal with just to get a job. They are technically nonunion and have the same skill set as union members, so how are they magically more qualified to build projects and why should they be discriminated against via PLAs and other union efforts to limit competition?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony, you must be a union worker that benefits from these PLA schemes. Every union and nonunion contractor will tell you that most union work rules are inefficient and increase costs needlessly. The scenario you have laid out doesn&#8217;t squeeze out all of the inefficiencies. Multi-skilling and sound management practices does a better job getting the customer the best project at the best price.</p>
<p>Sprink, as a member of ABC, ABC is not a union for contractors. It is an association. Do you belong to AAA or does your grandma belong to AARP? It is the same thing. Here is a major difference to consider: ABC does not force contractors to pay a penalty to drop memberships or strip them of their retirement benefits if they join another association. Unions prevent union workers from working for nonunion employers (they will take away your pensions and fine you or kick you out of the union if you put your union card in your boot and moonlight to put food on the table &#8211; if you are enrolled in a union apprenticeship program, good luck getting out of it&#8230;.).</p>
<p>There is more than one way to train a construction worker besides union apprenticeship programs. Employer and ABC training programs are effective too and they don&#8217;t limit apprentices to the good old boy network. It is all about MERIT.</p>
<p>Unions should be commended for their investment in their training programs, but that doesn&#8217;t give unions a license to use PLAs to cut out all of your competition. Besides, I&#8217;m aware of a number of union members that have not gone through union apprenticeship programs. And what about the nonunion workers that once belonged to a union and went through union apprenticeship programs but left because of the BS they had to deal with just to get a job. They are technically nonunion and have the same skill set as union members, so how are they magically more qualified to build projects and why should they be discriminated against via PLAs and other union efforts to limit competition?</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Anglin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Anglin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 16:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Say that said plumber is on a big hotel job. Why prevent the plumber from doing the job he was trained in by cleaning that mess up when he could be working on the next tub.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say that said plumber is on a big hotel job. Why prevent the plumber from doing the job he was trained in by cleaning that mess up when he could be working on the next tub.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Brubeck</title>
		<link>http://thetruthaboutplas.com/2010/05/17/understanding-the-merit-shop-contractor-cost-advantage/comment-page-1/#comment-5018</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Brubeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course not.

Would you prevent a plumber from cleaning up tile displaced while fixing a leaky bathtub? Union work rules would because cleaning up and moving debris is the &quot;job&quot; of a laborer and not a plumber.

If a worker has multiple skill sets, especially for simple tasks, why not let them perform the work instead of having to hire multiple experts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course not.</p>
<p>Would you prevent a plumber from cleaning up tile displaced while fixing a leaky bathtub? Union work rules would because cleaning up and moving debris is the &#8220;job&#8221; of a laborer and not a plumber.</p>
<p>If a worker has multiple skill sets, especially for simple tasks, why not let them perform the work instead of having to hire multiple experts?</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Anglin</title>
		<link>http://thetruthaboutplas.com/2010/05/17/understanding-the-merit-shop-contractor-cost-advantage/comment-page-1/#comment-5012</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Anglin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reminds me of the old saying:&quot;Jack of all trades, master of none.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of the old saying:&#8221;Jack of all trades, master of none.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Anglin</title>
		<link>http://thetruthaboutplas.com/2010/05/17/understanding-the-merit-shop-contractor-cost-advantage/comment-page-1/#comment-5011</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Anglin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[Multiskilling]  Come on!!! Let&#039;s get real. Would you call a plumber to come to your house to fix a wiring problem?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Multiskilling]  Come on!!! Let&#8217;s get real. Would you call a plumber to come to your house to fix a wiring problem?</p>
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		<title>By: sprink</title>
		<link>http://thetruthaboutplas.com/2010/05/17/understanding-the-merit-shop-contractor-cost-advantage/comment-page-1/#comment-4164</link>
		<dc:creator>sprink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 21:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing that the Merit-shop philosiphy fails at is the mandate to have journeyworkers and apprentices in a formalized apprenticeship training program. Yes,you do acknowledge that skill and training is valuable, but having the contractor associaction(ABC, a &quot;union&quot; for contractors)run the training program is a mistake. That is where the union has a distinct advantage, training.They have the time and resources to admintister a superior program, BECAUSE they will remove the learner from the field for substandard performance, and ALL contractors and their employees MUST participate. Perhaps if you took all the energy and money you expend fighting unions and their superior training and skills, you would find that the union has some redeeming qualities that would make them an attractive partner in your business plan. Why spend your time, money and energy fighting a system that produces high skill journeymen that you don&#039;t have to train?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that the Merit-shop philosiphy fails at is the mandate to have journeyworkers and apprentices in a formalized apprenticeship training program. Yes,you do acknowledge that skill and training is valuable, but having the contractor associaction(ABC, a &#8220;union&#8221; for contractors)run the training program is a mistake. That is where the union has a distinct advantage, training.They have the time and resources to admintister a superior program, BECAUSE they will remove the learner from the field for substandard performance, and ALL contractors and their employees MUST participate. Perhaps if you took all the energy and money you expend fighting unions and their superior training and skills, you would find that the union has some redeeming qualities that would make them an attractive partner in your business plan. Why spend your time, money and energy fighting a system that produces high skill journeymen that you don&#8217;t have to train?</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://thetruthaboutplas.com/2010/05/17/understanding-the-merit-shop-contractor-cost-advantage/comment-page-1/#comment-3693</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the abc contractors want all the mexican and brazilian workers on the jobs. i have worked the industry for 27 years and i have witnessed it first hand.illegal undocumented workers and you know thats the truth]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the abc contractors want all the mexican and brazilian workers on the jobs. i have worked the industry for 27 years and i have witnessed it first hand.illegal undocumented workers and you know thats the truth</p>
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		<title>By: To have a few politicians with this kind of agenda - Page 17 - US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>To have a few politicians with this kind of agenda - Page 17 - US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 22:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] labor-management technique employed regularly by merit shop contractors called multiskilling. Understanding the Merit Shop Contractor Cost Advantage &#124; The Truth About PLAs  The Big Three are also distinguished not just by their size and geography, but also by their [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] labor-management technique employed regularly by merit shop contractors called multiskilling. Understanding the Merit Shop Contractor Cost Advantage | The Truth About PLAs  The Big Three are also distinguished not just by their size and geography, but also by their [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BenBrubeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>BenBrubeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 14:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see your concerns, but I think you have to allow room for managers and foreman to allow multiskillers to perform simple tasks that would require a laborer or additional manpower that is a drag on efficiency under union work rules.  This is not a black and white issue - there is some discretion.  And besides, if the multiskiller has the skills and experience with certain crafts, then they should have the opportunity to perform that work. It is all about merit.  Plenty of union and nonunion journeymen never went through formal apprenticeship training and they still have the skills to produce quality work.

I also think you underestimate some of the employer-run training.

Finally, your fallacious analogy doesn&#039;t work here. I wouldn&#039;t want a nurse to perform triple bypass surgery either. But we are talking about construction. Why should a contractor, taxpayer or construction owner be forced to hire Michaelangelo to paint office walls or hire additional workers to sit around and perform simple tasks like moving equipment that anyone can perform, because of restrictive union work rules?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your concerns, but I think you have to allow room for managers and foreman to allow multiskillers to perform simple tasks that would require a laborer or additional manpower that is a drag on efficiency under union work rules.  This is not a black and white issue &#8211; there is some discretion.  And besides, if the multiskiller has the skills and experience with certain crafts, then they should have the opportunity to perform that work. It is all about merit.  Plenty of union and nonunion journeymen never went through formal apprenticeship training and they still have the skills to produce quality work.</p>
<p>I also think you underestimate some of the employer-run training.</p>
<p>Finally, your fallacious analogy doesn&#8217;t work here. I wouldn&#8217;t want a nurse to perform triple bypass surgery either. But we are talking about construction. Why should a contractor, taxpayer or construction owner be forced to hire Michaelangelo to paint office walls or hire additional workers to sit around and perform simple tasks like moving equipment that anyone can perform, because of restrictive union work rules?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 03:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Point is, these workers attended a state accredited school. They also have the corresponding years of on on the job training to be considered professional workers capable of performing quality work. 

I would argue, further &#039;employer-run training&#039; would provide them with no more skills than your average handyman that spends his days trolling craigslist.

Proper training would require further education in a state accredited school specific to a craft. Followed by proper amounts of on the job experience to truly become a multi craft professional. Provide the documentation and you have an argument.

I wouldn&#039;t go into surgery with a nurse that learned how to do a triple bypass from standing next to and watching a doctor do one. According to you, if the hospital the nurse worked for considered that proper &#039;employer-run training,&#039; well then he should be qualified to do surgeries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point is, these workers attended a state accredited school. They also have the corresponding years of on on the job training to be considered professional workers capable of performing quality work. </p>
<p>I would argue, further &#8216;employer-run training&#8217; would provide them with no more skills than your average handyman that spends his days trolling craigslist.</p>
<p>Proper training would require further education in a state accredited school specific to a craft. Followed by proper amounts of on the job experience to truly become a multi craft professional. Provide the documentation and you have an argument.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t go into surgery with a nurse that learned how to do a triple bypass from standing next to and watching a doctor do one. According to you, if the hospital the nurse worked for considered that proper &#8216;employer-run training,&#8217; well then he should be qualified to do surgeries.</p>
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